Greta Thunberg's message is a truthful one, which is well founded in scientific knowledge. Many more people need to recognize that is a truth - a very major truth. It is as big a truth as biological evolution (including human evolution).
Disillusioned JW
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Replacing God?
by punkofnice inwe seem to be if a more secular society here in the west, these days.
i'm speaking from the uk.. with the lack of belief in god/s, i'm wondering if all the seeming (note: i said seeming!
), deification of people like greta thunberg, george floyd and celebs amongst others, if people who have no real belief system, are filling the gap left by god with people?.
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Where it all went wrong for the WT - JF Rutherford
by LoveUniHateExams ini was thinking a bit about this the other day.
ct russell, from what i remember about him, kinda seemed like a genuine, nice(ish) guy, although he had a few eccentric but harmless ideas.. during the russell era jws (actually bible students) could still celebrate christmas, worship in other churches if there was no kingdom hall available, and accept blood transfusions.. then after russell died, along came rutherford - a major league a-hole, for sure.. rutherford had plenty of eccentric ideas but at least some of them weren't/aren't harmless.
some have been long forgotten about - jesus depicted without a beard, the plan to rename the names of the week because names such as thursday (thor's day) is pagan, the articles about the 'dangers' of aluminium, etc.. one key contribution of rutherford which does a lot of harm is no blood transfusions, even in life-threatening situations.. another is shunning, something which never occurred under russell, or at least was much milder.. rutherford has a lot to answer for, i reckon ....
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Disillusioned JW
The influence which the WT has comes from the Bible and the widespread acceptance of the Bible by a great many people. If no one believed in the Bible the WT would be powerless to persuade people. The problem is much bigger than the WT and its false teachings. The problem is also the Bible and its numerous false teachings. That message needs to be presented to people. For example, if I had known prior to age 15 that the Bible contains numerous falsehoods, I would never have become baptized as one of Jehovah's Witnesses. A similar situation exists with other ex-Witnesses and other ex-Christians, and other ex-religious people.
The problem is also with other scripture books, including the Koran and the Hadith and the Hindu scriptures, and their false teachings. That message also needs to be presented to the people. Many people in other Christian religions and many people in non-Christians religions are also suffering greatly from their religions.
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faithful and discreet slave appointed in 1919?
by enoughisenough in12 when did jesus appoint the faithful slave over his domestics?
to answer that, we need to go back to 1914—the beginning of the harvest season.
as we learned earlier, at that time many groups claimed to be christian.
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Jeffro, nothing in my post ascribed anything special about the Bible Student belief that the Jews would be restored to their homeland. I thus was not manifesting confirmation bias. I merely made a correct statement. Perhaps you are the one who manifested confirmation bias when you incorrectly implied that I had manifested confirmation bias. It appears that you read into post more than what I stated in my post.
I am well aware that a number of people were working to get the Jews restored to their home land.
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Two Bible teachings JW's DON'T know about....
by BoogerMan in....but the november 2022 study watchtower will definitely instruct them.. 1) god's name is jehovah!.
2) jehovah is using an earthly organization to do his will - not jesus!.
in study article 45, 'jehovah' is mentioned at least 60 times.
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The 1898 ARV also says "He who was manifested in the flesh". The 2003 HCSB says "He was manifested in the flesh", which a translators' note saying "3:16 Other mss read God".
The 1991 NAB (a Catholic Bible, of which the translation team included some non-Catholic Christian translators [who are kindly referred to as "separated brothers"]) at 1 Timothy 3:16 says "Who was manifested in the flesh". The translators' annotation/commentary for it says the following which I think is very interesting. '3, 16:Who: the reference is to Christ, who is himself "the mystery of devotion." Some predominantly Western manuscripts read "which," harmonizing the gender of the pronoun with that of the Greek word for mystery; many later (eighth/ninth century on), predominately Byzantine manuscripts read "God," possibly for theological reasons.'
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A look at Robert Alter’s translation: The Hebrew Bible
by Wonderment ina look at robert alter’s translation: the hebrew biblethree volumes labeled as, "the five books of moses"; "the writings"; and "prophets.
"verse numbers appear in the margins.
my take: some view this as a plus, since this allows for continuous, undistracted reading.
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Thanks Wonderment! After I had posted my question to you I asked an ethnically Jewish person of the Jewish religion who reads some of the Scriptures in Hebrew (and even now from an unpointed text) as well as in English, if the biblical Hebrew language has a word meaning "of". One thing she said is that it has the word "shel" but based upon your answer to me I now know she was incorrect to say the biblical Hebrew has that word, though modern Hebrew has it.
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faithful and discreet slave appointed in 1919?
by enoughisenough in12 when did jesus appoint the faithful slave over his domestics?
to answer that, we need to go back to 1914—the beginning of the harvest season.
as we learned earlier, at that time many groups claimed to be christian.
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Hey Jeffro, regarding their 1919 teaching of "The ‘Jews to be restored to their homeland’ is literal' is something they got right, but they fully abandoned it just before it came true! They fully abandoned it just before Israel became a nation again in 1948. Regarding their former teaching of "The ‘great company’ (great crowd) has a heavenly hope" that is what the Bible book of Revelation teaches.
Vanderhoven7, I notice you said "the most important thing Russell got right was his stand against both immortality of the soul and related eternal torment teaching." Does that mean you (whom I thought was an evangelical mainstream Christian) believes the human soul is not immortal and that you believe the widespread doctrine of eternal torment in hell is false?
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Two Bible teachings JW's DON'T know about....
by BoogerMan in....but the november 2022 study watchtower will definitely instruct them.. 1) god's name is jehovah!.
2) jehovah is using an earthly organization to do his will - not jesus!.
in study article 45, 'jehovah' is mentioned at least 60 times.
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1 Tim. 3: 16 says "He who was manifested in the flesh" according to translations made from older manuscripts than those used by the translators of the KJV. The RV, ASV, RSV, and NRSV all say "He who was manifested in the flesh".
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If not the WT/JW relgion where else are 'we' to go? Why not atheistic/scientific philosophical naturalism?
by Disillusioned JW insometimes jws wonder if the wt/jw is not the truth, 'then where else are we to go?
' i say 'why not atheistic/scientific philosophical naturalism and why not a secular philosophy which teaches a way of life?
' what do you folks say?.
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I don't see many people commenting in this topic during the past one year. I wonder why. Since there are atheists who post elsewhere on this web site I would think that more of them would be commenting on this topic. Perhaps it is largely due to the wording of title of this topic thread.
Scientific naturalism explains so much about our universe, including life itself. That makes it very fascinating to me and to at least some others.
Use of scientific knowledge can even greatly help us remain healthy for much longer than would otherwise be case. Furthermore it can help us to live longer than would otherwise be the case. For example, consider what https://novoslabs.com/reversing-aging-how-to-reverse-aging/ says. It has a fascinating article from August 25, 2022 called "How To Reverse Aging in Humans". [However that article says that drinking milk accelerates ages, but that claim might only be partially correct. I recently read an article which says drinking milk which has no more than 1% milk fat results in less biological aging than drinking no milk, and that it results in less biological aging than drinking whole milk and than drinking milk with 2% milk fat.]
Knowledge of scientific naturalism can help us in so many ways that supernatualistic minded religious teachings can not. So, why not use a scientific naturalist approach to improve your life?
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If not the WT/JW relgion where else are 'we' to go? Why not atheistic/scientific philosophical naturalism?
by Disillusioned JW insometimes jws wonder if the wt/jw is not the truth, 'then where else are we to go?
' i say 'why not atheistic/scientific philosophical naturalism and why not a secular philosophy which teaches a way of life?
' what do you folks say?.
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A discovery was reported in April 2013 about how prebiotic "amino acids believed to exist on Earth around 4 billion years ago were capable of forming foldable proteins in a high-salt (halophile) environment. Such proteins would have been capable of providing metabolic activity for the first living organisms to emerge on the planet between 3.5 and 3.9 billion years ago." Besides the words quoted above the article says the following.
"Today the human body uses 20 common amino acids to make all its proteins. Ten of those emerged through biosynthetic pathways—the way living systems evolve. Ten—the prebiotic set—can be made by chemical reactions without requiring any living system or biosynthetic pathway.
... Using a technique called top-down symmetric deconstruction, Blaber's lab has been able to identify small peptide building blocks capable of spontaneous assembly into specific and complex protein architectures. His recent work explored whether such building blocks can be comprised of only the 10 prebiotic amino acids and still fold.
His team has achieved foldability in proteins down to 12 amino acids—about 80 percent of the way to proving his hypothesis."
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Two Bible teachings JW's DON'T know about....
by BoogerMan in....but the november 2022 study watchtower will definitely instruct them.. 1) god's name is jehovah!.
2) jehovah is using an earthly organization to do his will - not jesus!.
in study article 45, 'jehovah' is mentioned at least 60 times.
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Regarding the Letter of Polycarp to the Philippians http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/info/polycarp.html says the Roberts-Donaldson Introduction to the the Roberts-Donaldson translation of that letter says in part the following.
"The Epistle before us is not perfect in any of the Greek mss. which contain it. But the chapters wanting in Greek are contained in an ancient Latin version. While there is no ground for supposing, as some have done, that the whole Epistle is spurious, there seems considerable force in the arguments by which many others have sought to prove chap. xiii. to be an interpolation." Notice that for the translation of much of it scholars have to rely upon Latin manuscripts in place of Greek manuscripts.